Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 23:41 EDT |
masterful, tx for weighing in...did bho set a trap?...thought schieffer cued it up as predicted by chris mathews |
karanja:
Wed 10/15 23:15 EDT |
while making the Mac look ugly, grumpy and angry again for even bringing it up! OMG, more Jujitsu by the masters! |
karanja:
Wed 10/15 23:14 EDT |
but all in all i saw it and I think Obama did great by setting the trap to bring up Ayers, so that he could put it to rest once and for all in front of the biggest audience he'll have from now until election day |
karanja:
Wed 10/15 23:13 EDT |
urgh! missed it
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Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:44 EDT |
on mac...i can't judge whether he is "good" or "bad", remember parents there's no such thing...i did see a path to victory from where he was in 2000...from there he lurched from potentially deserting the r's to moving as far right as he possibly could...exhibited the very calculating behavior that he abhors in bho |
Drew Camens:
Wed 10/15 22:43 EDT |
mac tried multiple times to use the dig about how "eloquent" obama was.. but I don't think that has worked ever.. hard to make the argument about how someone can in general convey their messager better than you can |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:42 EDT |
msnbc has it wrong...there was nothing "safe" about bho's performance...he was stronger and more direct than in any other debates, primary and general...his crowning moment so far |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:41 EDT |
thanx again Greg! can't bear these pundits...good night all |
Drew Camens:
Wed 10/15 22:41 EDT |
yeah.. saw the frontline piece too, it was great... Karly had a little issue with the wife-dumping as well.. but no doubt mac went through more than you or i ever |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:39 EDT |
i agree rachel...mac made many changes, but still wound up floundering...how is it possible that this was worse than the "i won't recognize" ur existence debate...but it was for him |
Dwight Langhum:
Wed 10/15 22:39 EDT |
why doesn't martin have a seat |
Axis O. Xooka:
Wed 10/15 22:39 EDT |
and the lil thing called the Keating Five |
Karla Ebrahimi:
Wed 10/15 22:39 EDT |
goodnight all. thank you so much. |
Axis O. Xooka:
Wed 10/15 22:37 EDT |
he was a good man until he left his 1st wife after she was in a car crash during the years she waited for him while he was in Vietnam |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:37 EDT |
wasn't bill bennett arrested or indicted for something? |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:36 EDT |
vic, we'll all be dropping by soon...we'll take the tents |
Jody S:
Wed 10/15 22:36 EDT |
great point Greg. He is a good man. Not the right guy for our next Pres but he is a good man no doubt
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Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:36 EDT |
Goodnight all! |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:36 EDT |
cnn |
Patrice Mackey:
Wed 10/15 22:36 EDT |
Not that I think it is working too well....(but I am biased...) |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:35 EDT |
I'm watching the live NYT feed; what are you watchig Denise? |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:35 EDT |
thank you all...axis, wasn't it amazing?...reminded me that there was a path to victory for mac at one time |
Patrice Mackey:
Wed 10/15 22:35 EDT |
Well, one thing that I have to say. I admire the Chutzpah of the Republican strategist in the degree to which they have tried to steal the "change" mantle from the Obama campaign.....
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denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:35 EDT |
was he watching the same thing? |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:34 EDT |
broke through what? |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:34 EDT |
Thank you Greg and all of you. I hope to see you all soon. Stop by the Evergreen State anytime. |
Rob Lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:34 EDT |
why is CNN so concerned about "who did the better job". Is Putin concerned about who came across better? |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:34 EDT |
thanx soooo much Greg! politics-360 rocks! |
Cheryl Fields:
Wed 10/15 22:34 EDT |
Good closing remark Denise. G'night all. |
Patrice Mackey:
Wed 10/15 22:34 EDT |
Thanks Greg! |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:33 EDT |
Now McCain will ostentatiously shake hands with the crowd |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:33 EDT |
"good job, good job, yeah...gr8"...almost as good as "i endorse george bush, i endorse george bush, i endorse george bush"...if u haven't watched the frontline doc from last night, go to pbs.org and check it out |
Patrice Mackey:
Wed 10/15 22:33 EDT |
Dang! Just lost the internet feed right as Obama was finishing his remarks.
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Axis O. Xooka:
Wed 10/15 22:33 EDT |
just in case people missed it, Frontline last night was great. You can watch entire show here: http://www.youtube.com/pbs |
Mark H:
Wed 10/15 22:33 EDT |
Thank you Greg. Great forum as usual! |
Dwight Langhum:
Wed 10/15 22:33 EDT |
thank you greg for doing this. it was big fun. Go politics-360!!! |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:32 EDT |
great Bob! |
Patrice Mackey:
Wed 10/15 22:32 EDT |
Rob, I was thinking the same thing.....you have to be careful in how you frame it...
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Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:32 EDT |
Nice handshakes at end. |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:32 EDT |
I want at Dick Fuld to sacrafice |
Rob Lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:32 EDT |
Greg, people don't want to hear sacrifice. Remember Carter? |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:32 EDT |
Tie dimple is off. But he looks ready to serve tirelessly. |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:31 EDT |
thanks patrice |
Mark H:
Wed 10/15 22:31 EDT |
and if yo ugo to WallMArt/SamsClub dont buy their bottled water, just was found with ultra high levels of toxic materials. Nice eh? |
Patrice Mackey:
Wed 10/15 22:31 EDT |
This has definitely been the first real debate (or at least the best of the three meetings)....some good back and forth...still some of the stump speeching.... |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:31 EDT |
..."and we're going to have to SACRIFICE" |
Cheryl Fields:
Wed 10/15 22:30 EDT |
He can serve me at WalMart, perhaps as a greeter, but not in the White house |
Patrice Mackey:
Wed 10/15 22:30 EDT |
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain
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Mark H:
Wed 10/15 22:30 EDT |
I know it is like mentioning the anti-christ on this forum but read Pat Buchannan's oped today if you can. All about how we will end up paying for all these bailouts. |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:30 EDT |
they blew through this one...finally made a case for a town hall road show...if they had been like this, would have been interesting |
Patrice Mackey:
Wed 10/15 22:30 EDT |
interesting article in Rolling Stone recently related to McCain's past and his Maverick credentials...not flattering...
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Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:29 EDT |
JM is tired, faltering. |
Andrea Hazell:
Wed 10/15 22:29 EDT |
Mark, I heard Terry Gross today. Great stuff we would never hear in the lower 48. |
Dwight Langhum:
Wed 10/15 22:29 EDT |
BO killed him on education. great strong ending. mac hurt his cause. anxiety came thru w/ gestures and experessions. |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:29 EDT |
i can't believe we're at final statements! |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:28 EDT |
yes mark, i heard it...straight-forward and factual...countered the palin revisionist response |
Patrice Mackey:
Wed 10/15 22:28 EDT |
Well, I don't think that last dig from McCain worked well for him....
Snarky |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 22:28 EDT |
vouchers are good and workable in some places
but not the only
I did not get my education to pass a standardized test and give metrics to some private company measuring itself on simplistic measures
nor is my continuous adult learning to pass some standardized test for some business metrics...I have never contributed to someone else's metrics |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:28 EDT |
Bob Dole hand chop |
Cheryl Fields:
Wed 10/15 22:28 EDT |
Oh, is JM. going to jump off the chair? |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:28 EDT |
very |
Andrea Hazell:
Wed 10/15 22:28 EDT |
Mac do not laugh and show your plate. |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:27 EDT |
Bad finish, JM. |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:27 EDT |
nice one andrea |
Cheryl Fields:
Wed 10/15 22:27 EDT |
He is giving Michelle Ree props! |
Mark H:
Wed 10/15 22:27 EDT |
I was stunned when McCAin said Palin was a great role model for women. My wife just about launched herself at the TV |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:27 EDT |
I thought Palin's kid had Down's syndrome - too young to be diagnosed autistic. |
jodie:
Wed 10/15 22:26 EDT |
Hey all, not blogging, because we're not watching in real time here in Denver. That said, we're worried. Last two debates, we thought McCain was winning, yet the aftermath, both in the punditocracy and among friends was that Obama won both...by quite a margin. We think Obama is kicking ass tonight. Since we missed so badly on the first two, we're no worried that we think Obama is doing well. Someone talk us off the ledge. |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:26 EDT |
vouchers kill public schools |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:26 EDT |
social services only for "special needs children"? |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:26 EDT |
but will they open their pocketbooks... |
Cheryl Fields:
Wed 10/15 22:26 EDT |
My mom, a former head start teacher is shouting "It's not head start that needs reform, it's K-12!!" |
Andrea Hazell:
Wed 10/15 22:26 EDT |
Sarah Palin is not the only parent in US with an autistic child. |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:26 EDT |
Is Palin autistic, JM? |
Drew Camens:
Wed 10/15 22:26 EDT |
ok.. still behind sorry.. "find bad teachers another line of work".. let's make sure we take care of those bad teachers - i don't know I'm thinking air traffic controllers |
Andrea Hazell:
Wed 10/15 22:25 EDT |
Yeah if head start is so great why don't you send your grand kids to it. |
Andrea Hazell:
Wed 10/15 22:25 EDT |
OOOOHHHH Mack is trying to take BO to school. Cindy is educated? I thought she lived off of sugar daddy. |
Mark H:
Wed 10/15 22:25 EDT |
Anyone catch Terry Gross today? She interviewed Anchorage Daily News columnist Michael Carey. Fascinating. Not very complimentary about Palin. |
Dwight Langhum:
Wed 10/15 22:24 EDT |
nailed him. unfunded mandates. he's killing them w/ their own language |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:24 EDT |
i get it the youth are a special interest group to mac because they support bho |
Cheryl Fields:
Wed 10/15 22:24 EDT |
BO is nailing thie education discussion |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 22:24 EDT |
public goods always fail in market systems, Smith and Locke said that 500 yrs ago, but our MBA graduates spend 2 minutes in class on failed markets for public goods.... I am so zldjfojd=friwej -off! |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:24 EDT |
Great - "America's youth aren't an interest group - they're our future." |
Andrea Hazell:
Wed 10/15 22:24 EDT |
Hi Mark. I agree he looks like a corpse. |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:23 EDT |
He has turned to the Dark Side recently |
Mark H:
Wed 10/15 22:23 EDT |
Hi Greg, Matt was talking about how John looks... pallor and tone is way off doesnt look healthy at all
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Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:22 EDT |
no child left behind, finally |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:22 EDT |
mark, my neighbor, welcome...tell matt would work better if he was a trooper, at least he would get a little help...he's over-reaching w the emperor thing |
Patrice Mackey:
Wed 10/15 22:22 EDT |
The CNN undecided ticker is very interesting...
in the two debates I've watched, Obaman connects better with women and McCain with Men, however, Obama's HIGH scores seemed dramatically higher than McCain's |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 22:22 EDT |
take these 'examinations'??? Let's give Joe Plumber the teaching job. |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:22 EDT |
It's not easy being a stupid legacy. It can make you crash several planes. |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 22:21 EDT |
equal access to schools??? failed schools is cause they are designed for teachers
new orleans???? the metrics are in???? Bad teachers and not bad systems? Cindy and I??? that is Anapolis and like last place in class? That is opportunity alright? |
Rob Lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:21 EDT |
If so, I'll be there. |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:20 EDT |
what is he talking about? sos OB is talking about higher education |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:20 EDT |
dwight almost had bernie as a moderator for the ickes panel...we'll do that one next time, right dwight? |
Mark H:
Wed 10/15 22:20 EDT |
My son said McCain looks like the emperor in Star Wars..... that was pretty funny. He does look pretty creepy |
Dwight Langhum:
Wed 10/15 22:20 EDT |
parental involvement, scores big w/ indep. |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 22:19 EDT |
parents are working a lot and are dead tired |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:19 EDT |
YES!!! |
Mark H:
Wed 10/15 22:19 EDT |
Clear, Concise and taking the high road - - - very presidential |
Rob Lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:19 EDT |
Right but the teachers' union will cut him to shreds if he goes into merit pay and the rest |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:19 EDT |
That's why BO transferred from Occy. |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:19 EDT |
education is reasonating with men |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:19 EDT |
barack has the carriage of an incumbent tonight |
Cheryl Fields:
Wed 10/15 22:19 EDT |
I'm looking at CNN. Interesting how few negatives the analysts are giving BO. |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 22:19 EDT |
no no no imagination and this isn't the first time patrice |
Mark H:
Wed 10/15 22:19 EDT |
I think BHO is doing fabulous!
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Patrice Mackey:
Wed 10/15 22:18 EDT |
Okay, so it wasn't my imagination that I was hearing McCain snort to some of Obama's statements...
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Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 22:17 EDT |
are those averages because we have highly priced private universities and private schools skewing the numbers factored in? I am not a statistician. |
Rob Lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:17 EDT |
Yes, Victor, I agree. Best was Bernard Shaw. I miss him. |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:17 EDT |
if state's can't borrow, education will suffer the most...cheryl? |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:17 EDT |
very! |
Dwight Langhum:
Wed 10/15 22:17 EDT |
nobody's pro abortion. right answer. how do they remember the details of their 20 year old votes??? |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:17 EDT |
Schiffer is doing a very good job. |
Patrice Mackey:
Wed 10/15 22:16 EDT |
OW! A little dig at the Palin family? |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:16 EDT |
barack knew exactly how he wanted to move through the dangerous territory |
Cheryl Fields:
Wed 10/15 22:16 EDT |
YES!!!! No body is pro abortion!! FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT. Go BO |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:16 EDT |
JM has flipped so many times on abortion I can't recall where he started |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:16 EDT |
the snorting... |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:16 EDT |
repulsive |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:16 EDT |
common ground?!, what a concept |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:15 EDT |
Dangerous ground |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 22:15 EDT |
listen to that snorting... |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:13 EDT |
selective states rights drew |
Billy Sparks:
Wed 10/15 22:13 EDT |
if you don't stand up for your base and your opponent has locked up his--you lose twice.
Obama is proud of his choices and his positions. |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:13 EDT |
Federalism cuts both ways, left and right both use it. |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:13 EDT |
culture wars really aren't working...ok, we're going to partial birth...sarah cued this one up earlier today |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:13 EDT |
Right Cheryl! |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:12 EDT |
change the culture of America? |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:12 EDT |
change the "culture"...code |
Drew Camens:
Wed 10/15 22:12 EDT |
federalist.. hmmph.. how about if we let california decide if we authorize offshore drilling or not. |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:12 EDT |
This is OB's worst argument: Ledbetter. They should call that bill the incompetent plaintiff's counsel malpractice protection act. |
Andrea Hazell:
Wed 10/15 22:12 EDT |
Mac is puzzled again |
Jody S:
Wed 10/15 22:12 EDT |
Billy I agree... Keep it simple |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:11 EDT |
billy, glad ur back! |
Axis O. Xooka:
Wed 10/15 22:11 EDT |
well, the poop didn't actually go into a diaper ... not gonna get graphic but let's just say, it looked something like JM's face |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:11 EDT |
amen Billy |
Cheryl Fields:
Wed 10/15 22:10 EDT |
So Ginsberg isn't pro Roe v. Wade? I find that hard to believe. |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:10 EDT |
plenty of diapers to go around...axis can share a poopy diaper experience from the debate w u...welcome jody! |
Rob Lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:10 EDT |
I agree, dwight |
Billy Sparks:
Wed 10/15 22:10 EDT |
Obama is articulating his plans in undersdtandable terms and not on political theory lines up and resonating. JM is again talking to his base and doing nothing but showing his disdain for any new approaches.
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Dwight Langhum:
Wed 10/15 22:10 EDT |
god answer by mac. but hurts w/ base. may register w/ independents and women |
Patrice Mackey:
Wed 10/15 22:09 EDT |
Cantate Domino, Greg... :-) |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:09 EDT |
schieffer slipped mac up |
Jody S:
Wed 10/15 22:09 EDT |
Sorry I am late Greg- Gus needed some diapers and after today stock market performance, I had to go sweep up around target to get them.
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Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:09 EDT |
good point patrice, both are waiting their turns well...things we learned in kindergarten |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 22:09 EDT |
Joe Pumber lives in a big late model mcmansion with swimming pool and fountain and huge circular drive, with gates and cindarella beds for all the girls...oops is that Greenwich? |
Axis O. Xooka:
Wed 10/15 22:08 EDT |
OK, I'm loving Joe again (both JTP and JS-P) |
Cheryl Fields:
Wed 10/15 22:07 EDT |
From Joe to Roe, here we go! |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:07 EDT |
patrice!!!!...oregon in the house...sing joyfully! |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:07 EDT |
Joe Six-Pack is field dressing a moose: Joe the Plumber shoots the wolf from a helicopter |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 22:07 EDT |
does Joe have a Keogh that is under water cause the regulators didn't keep up with Wall St? |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:07 EDT |
yes brett, our current situation is proof that no government and unbridled capitalism results in good for all...profits, services and wealth for all |
Patrice Mackey:
Wed 10/15 22:07 EDT |
"Senator Government"? Was that a gaffe? or...
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Patrice Mackey:
Wed 10/15 22:06 EDT |
But he also seems to have not heeded the warnings of previous debates, specifically related to how you should react (or not) while the other candidate is talking... |
Axis O. Xooka:
Wed 10/15 22:06 EDT |
one last question, is Joe the Plumber neighbors with Joe Six-Pack? |
Karla Ebrahimi:
Wed 10/15 22:06 EDT |
omg, jsm's face when he's reacting to bho is facinating... |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 22:06 EDT |
I know some scientists saying it now |
Patrice Mackey:
Wed 10/15 22:05 EDT |
Sorry I am joining the chat so late....so far McCain is definitely on the attack tonight... |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:05 EDT |
we're getting back to harry and louise w "joe"...mac needs to lend an ear to brett |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:05 EDT |
Brett I'v been saying that for YEARS!!!!!!! |
Axis O. Xooka:
Wed 10/15 22:05 EDT |
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Axis O. Xooka:
Wed 10/15 22:05 EDT |
OK, it's official, I'm sick of 'Joe' |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 22:05 EDT |
where does Joe educate his kids?
what roads does he drive on for free with his plumbing trucks?
where did Joe go to school?
and are their police on those streets making sure rich Joe doesn't get mugged? |
Cheryl Fields:
Wed 10/15 22:05 EDT |
McCain is calling someone else rich??? This is sad. |
Rob Lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:04 EDT |
Wow, Joe can't catch a break. All those mothers who named their boys Connor and Hunter and Chase are, finally, pleased with their name selections |
Andrea Hazell:
Wed 10/15 22:04 EDT |
Good one vic. |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 22:04 EDT |
denise, I think that is going to be a real space for law suits, cause the brain scientists are finding out about the addictive qualities of processes simple carb foods. Is it a plot? buried in documents? like tobacco? |
Drew Camens:
Wed 10/15 22:03 EDT |
5 mins delayed so pardon me, but every time they show mccain when bho is talking.. his head looks like it's about to explode. |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:03 EDT |
JM looks stunned and is wondering why he wasn't properly briefed |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:03 EDT |
JM doesn't have enough RAM to hold more than three tag-lines at once |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:02 EDT |
how about pete the plumber, or mary or cheeky? |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 22:02 EDT |
20% of costs in healthcare insurance are finance people pushing paper and trying to push charges off to another payer. Brits and Canadians don't have that.
Single payer works better than here for more people in many places including France
Zero? he asks with a inflection?
Obesity is caused by simple carbs in cheap processed foods, and the dearth of complex carbs available at affordable prices for regular people who don't shop at Citarella! I am getting mad... |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:02 EDT |
women UNDERSTAND what OB is saying the families the families |
Andrea Hazell:
Wed 10/15 22:02 EDT |
Mac loks puzzled at BO's real plan. |
Axis O. Xooka:
Wed 10/15 22:02 EDT |
R the P, soooo good |
Dwight Langhum:
Wed 10/15 22:02 EDT |
great correction |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:02 EDT |
vic, i think he's gonna take ur advice based on his expression |
Andrea Hazell:
Wed 10/15 22:01 EDT |
Ok Mac you made this joe-plumber point three times already. Mac continues his mean streak |
Rob Lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:01 EDT |
Thank God my mother didn't name me Joe. Rob the plumber? |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 22:01 EDT |
we should get rid of suger and pdoto the suger indusrty what was was done to the tabacco industry suger kills!!!! |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:01 EDT |
Is Joe obese? Then he needs better health care. |
Axis O. Xooka:
Wed 10/15 22:01 EDT |
Just walked back in ... are we still talking about J the P? |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 22:01 EDT |
what is mac's concern, costs for the health care industry or costs for the insured/un-insured?...wait, they're the same, but is this yet another trickle down theory? |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 22:00 EDT |
They should force the obese to drill for oil |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:59 EDT |
JM should get up and walk off the stage. It's over tonight. Although he could still go for the long ball, do something Mavericky to try to pull this out. |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 21:59 EDT |
i love citgo everytime I see one. I fill it up! |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:59 EDT |
the lines r over the top! |
Rob Lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:59 EDT |
Yes, but they don't call it that, they call it good of the country, leveling the playing field, and all that |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 21:59 EDT |
Bush put tariffs on steel imports for his supporters, isn't that restricting trade? |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:58 EDT |
US car manufacturers already got their socialism |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:57 EDT |
cheryl welcome...a very special honor...u know where my thoughts are |
Rob Lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:57 EDT |
But hey, we can climb all over Hugo Chavez but I buy gas at Venezuelan state sponsored Citco to buy cheaper gas. |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:57 EDT |
jm is losing people |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:56 EDT |
check out the cnn lines!!! |
Rob Lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:56 EDT |
It's not just fuel efficient cars. They are no good. People don't want them and that's free trade. |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 21:56 EDT |
auto makers deserve to get bought out by foreigners who understand how to produce cars for world markets, including BRIC country markets! Board and execs to the golf courses if they can pay the fees! |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:55 EDT |
rob, i think it was bho that had the best line i've heard on the crisis, what's being asked is to "socialize risk and privatize returns"...i'm sure i've butchered it, but u get the point |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:55 EDT |
thank you Brett! |
Cheryl Fields:
Wed 10/15 21:55 EDT |
Hey All! I'm kinda late, How's it goin? |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 21:54 EDT |
drugs killing our young people???
try nihilism and alienation in a materialistic society that doesn't value them! |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:54 EDT |
Yes! |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:54 EDT |
Will the wolf survive |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:54 EDT |
mac calming down a bit |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:53 EDT |
La rock bamba!!! |
Rob Lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:53 EDT |
Everyone is a free trader until the market cracks.....then we want revocable socialism |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:53 EDT |
lou diamond philips, right vic? |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:53 EDT |
poor beltway priorities |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:52 EDT |
we don't need offshore drilling |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:52 EDT |
i don't getthe feeling that JM actually understands what BO is sayng |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:51 EDT |
bho realized wonkville had set on, had to pull away from the camera lock |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:51 EDT |
My son just walked in and said, "That's La rock O bamba." |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:50 EDT |
she's at a concert - sends her regrets |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:50 EDT |
axis, in case ur out of screen range due to poop, bho is looking directly into the camera...u and chris mathews will have to fight out the merits |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:50 EDT |
Someone else noted: BO is finally making good camera eye contact. Works for him. |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:49 EDT |
henrietta beltway, where r u? |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:49 EDT |
In other words: Drill baby Drill |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:49 EDT |
this is his issue, why cloud it? |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:49 EDT |
mac really believes the "you're such a stupid kid" argument will ultimately word |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:48 EDT |
And canola oil. That's fine too. |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 21:48 EDT |
united as Iraqis??? The Brits created Iraq...just like Congo...
the agencies don't need reforming, congress needs reforming...senators should work part-time in Washington and have full-time real jobs back home to earn a living. That is what the founders had in mind when they set this place up... |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:47 EDT |
way to state the facts rob |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:47 EDT |
axis, something else sarah can help w...couldn't resist |
Rob Lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:47 EDT |
Constitution tells us who is qualified: age, birthplace and residency.
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Andrea Hazell:
Wed 10/15 21:47 EDT |
He is attacking Biden's and his experience. With Palin out there. This is wacky. |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:46 EDT |
JM is running from the VP issue as fast as he can |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:46 EDT |
i agree drew...by far |
Axis O. Xooka:
Wed 10/15 21:46 EDT |
my daughter just pooped her pants during Mac's response...F! |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:46 EDT |
hey drew! |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:46 EDT |
she ma not have grown the way bho has, but bho didn't shy away from the glare...bho taking good approach to commend her by talking about her positions...in fact now using a bill clinton approach, co-opt, triangulate |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:45 EDT |
Wandering into wonkville . . . |
Drew Camens:
Wed 10/15 21:45 EDT |
hi all.. running a few minutes behind via dvr due to kids.. but so far this is the best debate of the 3.. bob S. is finally asking real questions. |
Andrea Hazell:
Wed 10/15 21:45 EDT |
BO should not attack palin. Nice work BO. |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:44 EDT |
"Greatest Generation!" I read that in a book or something. |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:44 EDT |
mac should have turned her loose and let her learn...trial by fire |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:44 EDT |
she kicked but with her acceptance speech...NO ONE thought she would be the disaster she's been on that night in MSP |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:44 EDT |
the women aren't buying it |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:43 EDT |
she and mac are her own worst enemies...mac mostly |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:43 EDT |
OB will soon be field-dressing JM after baggin' him with that one. |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:43 EDT |
yes, as in bho will not criticize palin...it's no win...others can cover that |
Axis O. Xooka:
Wed 10/15 21:43 EDT |
on edge of seat waiting to hear mac's response |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:42 EDT |
but vic, there such patriotic americans |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:42 EDT |
This is going to hurt. Start wincing, JM, you picked SP. |
Andrea Hazell:
Wed 10/15 21:42 EDT |
Ths question re: running mate will take down Mac for sure. Nice swipe Bob! |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:41 EDT |
re this ? |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:41 EDT |
i don't think BHO will take the palin bait |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:41 EDT |
Greg, they do have the right to spout whatever they want, but JM/SP debases himself by not denouncing it. |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:41 EDT |
lawdy! |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:41 EDT |
hmmmm |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 21:41 EDT |
Didn't rove do some damage to Fabric of this country?
What about Greg Palast's allegations of Diebold's tech vulnerabilities role in re-electing Bush in 2004? |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:41 EDT |
not surprising denise...but for now i'll believe that people want to get back to the issues and that the flatlining is as much a reflection on mccain raising these issues |
Axis O. Xooka:
Wed 10/15 21:41 EDT |
let it go mac... i'm still eating mac n' cheese every night here. i want answers |
Dwight Langhum:
Wed 10/15 21:40 EDT |
need to bring up some of mac's shady associations |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:40 EDT |
u launched your campaign in his living room? fact? |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:40 EDT |
Devasting, BO. |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:39 EDT |
very nice |
Andrea Hazell:
Wed 10/15 21:39 EDT |
Mac looks like he has cotton balls in his cheeks. |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:39 EDT |
too much time on this stuff, but the record has to be set straight |
Dwight Langhum:
Wed 10/15 21:39 EDT |
ready for ayers w/ republicans |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:38 EDT |
BO is taking a scalpel to JM and it's not plastic surgery - he's removed JM's strongest asset, his honor. |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:38 EDT |
when Obama said that people at JM rallys were yelling "kill him" the green yellow lines were straight in the middle |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:37 EDT |
well said vic |
Andrea Hazell:
Wed 10/15 21:37 EDT |
Acorn is destroying the fabric of this country? |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:37 EDT |
NOBODY wants to hear this...mac, have u not read the polls, this strategy is killing you |
Rob Lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:37 EDT |
Don't forget the projector |
Axis O. Xooka:
Wed 10/15 21:37 EDT |
BO is looking good ... Mac can't let the anger go |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:36 EDT |
if you are wearing the right WWII hat, you can spout anything hateful thing you want |
Andrea Hazell:
Wed 10/15 21:36 EDT |
Mac looks pale and plastic. The close up is brutal on him. |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:36 EDT |
denise, meaning that people don't care about the racial comments? |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:36 EDT |
mccaint |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 21:36 EDT |
so so interesting. no discussion of issues. no discussion of positions. |
Dwight Langhum:
Wed 10/15 21:35 EDT |
what do the t-shirts say?? |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:35 EDT |
who looks more mature and reasonable? |
Andrea Hazell:
Wed 10/15 21:35 EDT |
He is proud of the people at the rallies ok mac. |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:35 EDT |
mac, show respect for bho, it will go far...even u have to recognize at this point that he is ur equal |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:34 EDT |
but did u c the cnn lines - they don't care |
Andrea Hazell:
Wed 10/15 21:34 EDT |
Go BO take the fight to him. quote the haters. BO is scoring biggg here. Mac is on the ropes on this one. |
Rob Lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:34 EDT |
i'm not cynical
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Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:33 EDT |
counselor, sound presentation |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:33 EDT |
BOLD!!! |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:33 EDT |
wow, how direct can he be! |
Dwight Langhum:
Wed 10/15 21:32 EDT |
they're not personal attacks! they're issue based except for keating |
Axis O. Xooka:
Wed 10/15 21:32 EDT |
joe the plumber, so good. hey joe, get off my lawn! |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:32 EDT |
what wealth? |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:31 EDT |
even at her angriest, hillary never looked as uncomfortable as mac did before he responded |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:31 EDT |
Just right. Well done, BO. Perfect, calm but strong and reasonable tone. |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:30 EDT |
barack is particularly adept at not doing the traditional tit for tat |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:30 EDT |
yes, turn it back to the issues...100% negative ads! |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:29 EDT |
hurt feelings...very good |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 21:29 EDT |
new new that uses market forces where appropriate for most things, and addresses correct approaches for failed markets for public goods yes yes yes |
Axis O. Xooka:
Wed 10/15 21:29 EDT |
the trap is set, BO don't step in it |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:28 EDT |
barack can't wait to respond |
Rob Lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:28 EDT |
hi greg
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Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:28 EDT |
hey rob!!! |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:28 EDT |
i agree that was a mistake by bho to not do town halls...he didn't have to, but it would have been a great forum for him...but mac's argument is that he's on the attack because he is bitter about town hall mtgs?! |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:28 EDT |
Don't take the bait!!! |
Rob Lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:27 EDT |
Campaigns have been negative and nasty since the founding, certainly since Andrew Jackson's loss to JQ Adams. Why is this a persistent issue? |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:27 EDT |
embarassed, I mean |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:27 EDT |
I like how BO looks down as if he is ashamed for JM |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:26 EDT |
"Espec. for me." |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:26 EDT |
here comes negative...bill ayers, step up to the plate |
Dwight Langhum:
Wed 10/15 21:26 EDT |
how about support for the bush tax cuts????????? |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:25 EDT |
brett, high time we looked at a new new deal |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:25 EDT |
Hi Denise, Dwight, Andrea, Karla, Ms. Xooka |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:25 EDT |
i agree dwight, he was ready |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 21:25 EDT |
cut cut cut, but no talking about investing in the human capital of this country which is sorely lacking now in new generations last 30 yrs of cuts compared to us the boomer babies with our golden spoons for school, doctors, dentists, orthodontia and eyeglasses! |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:25 EDT |
very good, go on the offensive |
Dwight Langhum:
Wed 10/15 21:24 EDT |
lst time i've heard BO show examples of when he's stood up to allies |
d kotz:
Wed 10/15 21:24 EDT |
thanks greg....i understood what he was talking about. i was makeing a joke about joe plumber, joe six-pack.....clearly failed miserably =) |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:24 EDT |
jsm, smooth our ur movements, it will help u |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:24 EDT |
google eyes, not good |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:24 EDT |
hi Dwight and Victor! |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:23 EDT |
gr8, go right after the challenge john put out there |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:23 EDT |
If BO wins he doesn't want to depend on there being a surplus at end of 1st term. |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:22 EDT |
but john, then why adopt the policies that have created the defecits? |
Dwight Langhum:
Wed 10/15 21:22 EDT |
surplus vs deficit not talked about enuf |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:21 EDT |
trillion bigger than billion, right? |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:20 EDT |
JM likes to mention $3M for the overhead projector (like last debate, astronomical projector - probably same thing). $3M for bear DNA before that. Nickel and dime stuff. |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:20 EDT |
yes, vic...he can't help it, he's just not easy on the eyes |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 21:20 EDT |
cool scalpel not hatchet! |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:20 EDT |
earmarks, bho ready? |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:19 EDT |
McCain looks a tad desperate. I feel sorry for him right now. Weird. |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:19 EDT |
hi andy! |
Dwight Langhum:
Wed 10/15 21:19 EDT |
spending freeze, how bout for defense |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:19 EDT |
we is his party |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:19 EDT |
off shore: supply doesn't meet demand...won't solve the problem |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:18 EDT |
BO is showing a bit of friendliness, a little personality tonight. |
Andrea Hazell:
Wed 10/15 21:18 EDT |
hi all!!! |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:18 EDT |
solar! |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:18 EDT |
vic!!!! |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:17 EDT |
let's hope we talk public works project tonight |
Axis O. Xooka:
Wed 10/15 21:17 EDT |
oh no BO not looking at camera anymore ... needs to connect with all the plumbers out there |
Victor Minjares:
Wed 10/15 21:17 EDT |
Here I am! Didn't see the link. Hello everybody! |
Dwight Langhum:
Wed 10/15 21:17 EDT |
cuts matched w/ spending, solid blow. |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:16 EDT |
nice way to reframe the pay as you go model, which biden shot some holes in |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:15 EDT |
hey d kotz...mac did drone on on joe...was trying to reach the common man, white ethnic voter with a message for $250k+ earners |
Karla Ebrahimi:
Wed 10/15 21:15 EDT |
mac seems nervous 2nite
|
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 21:14 EDT |
I can't bear the disinformation
Ireland has created so many jobs last 15 yrs! The place is heaving at the seams. They didn't build new roads...ugh! |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:14 EDT |
mac may be right about corporate taxes, but that's not where the real pain of the recession will fall |
d kotz:
Wed 10/15 21:13 EDT |
i'm so sick of joe.... |
Karla Ebrahimi:
Wed 10/15 21:13 EDT |
I'm a few mins. behind... if it get's boring I'll fast forward
|
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:13 EDT |
mac is right here...any tax increase is going to be difficult to achieve, even on the most wealthy |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:12 EDT |
dwight, u r a prince for being here...thank u |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:11 EDT |
u hit more voters w tax relief for 95% of americans |
Axis O. Xooka:
Wed 10/15 21:10 EDT |
howdy |
Dwight Langhum:
Wed 10/15 21:10 EDT |
final round, and i'm in. hello everyone |
Axis O. Xooka:
Wed 10/15 21:10 EDT |
what about 'xooka the designer'? |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:09 EDT |
hi axis, welcome back |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:08 EDT |
"taxpayers have to bear the cost of jsm's plan" |
Axis O. Xooka:
Wed 10/15 21:08 EDT |
look at BO, he's looking directly into the camera :-)
|
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:08 EDT |
hey karla! |
Karla Ebrahimi:
Wed 10/15 21:07 EDT |
hi everyone. thanks greg for doing this
|
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:07 EDT |
fanny and freddie not resonating |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:06 EDT |
i'm going to try and resist commenting that either candidate is droning, because whenever i watch the clips post-debate, it always looks better than i remember it |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:05 EDT |
human interaction w bho by jsm, nice beginning, but it appears that he didn't think he would get the first question |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 21:04 EDT |
thanx to Greg - this is his baby. nice to "see" you |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:04 EDT |
hmmm, something we haven't heard?! |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 21:04 EDT |
hello brett |
Brett Barndt:
Wed 10/15 21:02 EDT |
Hello Denise. This is a great idea. Thank you for suggesting. I can't listen to this alone this time! |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 20:57 EDT |
paul, i liked the velvet glove analogy on barack...people have yet to witness the fight in him...frontline made it more evident than anyone has |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 20:55 EDT |
hello denise and paul
|
Paul Lockareff:
Wed 10/15 20:54 EDT |
Hey Greg, agree - watched the Frontline (The Choice 2008) last night. It provides an excellent historical-to-date accounting of this race and its players/influencers. Shows how McCain contorted himself every which way to win the candidacy and the race (one of which was Palin which is now haunting him!). Obama has certainly been more true to himself. |
denise massingale-lamb:
Wed 10/15 20:50 EDT |
hello everybody |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 20:33 EDT |
david's book is finally being written...peter knobler will write with dave...i had a good mtg w him in ny this week, suggested he speak w u...i'll connect u
|
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 20:31 EDT |
hey billy!...and i didn't even need to call ;-) |
Billy Sparks:
Wed 10/15 20:23 EDT |
good evening |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 18:46 EDT |
Today's article on the Times/CBS poll and this week's Time magazine both focus on how BHO's temperament is resonating with voters, that he's seen as carrying himself as a leader, as a president. The class message is also getting through "he's [Obama] the only one that's for us", JSM is about "giving to those that have." There has been great frustration expressed about BHO during the debate forum discussions. However, there is daily confirmation that the steady, cool hand is producing results for BHO. |
Greg Fawcett:
Wed 10/15 16:57 EDT |
If you have any time at all before the debate, you MUST watch Frontline: The Choice 2008 http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/choice2008/
Should be required viewing for every voter. |